How can I react to a participant going stale?

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How can I react to a participant going stale?

I am trying to find a way how my application can react to a participant going stale without using my own timers.
In the RTI Core Libraries and Utilities Manual, section 14.3.1, I found the following:

Once a remote participant has been added to the Connext database, Connext keeps track of that
remote participant’s participant_liveliness_lease_duration. If a participant DATA for that partic-
ipant (identified by the GUID) is not received at least once within the
participant_liveliness_lease_duration, the remote participant is considered stale, and the
remote participant, together with all its entities, will be removed from the database of the local

Looking up the participant_liveliness_lease_duration and the participant_liveliness_assert_period, I found that they have defaults of 100 seconds and 30 seconds, respectively, leading me to believe that if a participant doesn't assert it's liveliness at least once within 100 seconds, others will/can/should mark the participant as stale. (However, the participant also should assert its liveliness automatically every 30 seconds.)
Unfortunately, I am confused about which user detectable events these numbers actually affect. According to Figure 14.5 of the RTI Core Libraries and Utilities Manual, these numbers relate to the sending/receiving/and reacting to participant X Data, which I interpret to be the information communicated through the built-in topic DCPSParticipant, i.e. DDS_ParticipantBuiltinTopicData.

As the default of DDS_RemoteParticipantPurgeKind is DDS_LIVELINESS_BASED_REMOTE_PARTICIPANT_PURGE, I expted the participant to do "the right thing" (which is automatically marking a participand as stale and purgin it if it doesn't transmit) and wanted to react to that.
I tried to react to a DDS_LIVELINESS_CHANGED_STATUS directly at the participant level, but I couldn't get my listener to trigger. This is how I set up the listener:

participant  = DDSDomainParticipantFactory::get_instance()->create_participant(
                         domainId             // Domain ID
                        ,participant_qos      // QoS
                        ,participant_listener // Listener
                        ,DDS_LIVELINESS_LOST_STATUS    // Listener Mask
                        |DDS_LIVELINESS_CHANGED_STATUS // Listener Mask

The  participant_listener is constructed as an instance of the following class:

struct Participant_Listener : public DDSDomainParticipantListener {
    virtual void on_liveliness_changed( DDSDataReader* reader, DDS_LivelinessChangedStatus const & status)
        << ": DataReader liveliness changed for topic" << reader->get_topicdescription()->get_name() << ".\n"
        << "    alive count        :" << status.alive_count << "\n"
        << "not alive count        :" << status.not_alive_count << "\n"
        << "    alive count change :" << status.alive_count_change << "\n"
        << "not alive count change :" << status.not_alive_count_change << "\n";
    virtual void on_liveliness_lost( DDSDataWriter *writer,  DDS_LivelinessLostStatus const & status)
        << ": DataWriter liveliness lost for topic" <<writer->get_topic()->get_name() << ".\n"
        << "total count        :" << status.total_count << "\n"
        << "total count change :" << status.total_count_change;

The only reaction I got out of this listener is related to  DDS_LIVELINESS_CHANGED_STATUS events of my other DataWriters which transport my data via non-built in topics as I did not implement listeners on them which react to that status and the participant listener acts as a last resort catch-all in accordance with the documentation. But shouldn't this also be the case for the liveliness changed events of the built-in DataWriters and DataReaders attached to the DCPSParticipant topic?

Looking up the liveliness of DataReaders just increased my confusion even more: the LIVELINESS QoS for DataReaders seems to have a default lease_duration of infinity. And indeed, that seems to be the case for the built-in readers as well, checked as follows:

DDS_DataReaderQos defReaderQoS;
bool infLease = defReaderQoS.liveliness.lease_duration.is_infinite();

I aplogize if I am making some hoorible newbie mistakes here, but I couldn't find any example that I could have studied. Does anybody know of a "follow-up" example to that deals with the detection of stale participants in user code?

What I was hoping to find (or create) was a listener style callback in the form of  virtual void participant_purged(DDS_ParticipantBuiltinTopicData&); but so far I haven't been able to reproduce anything like it...

Thanks for any hints, examples, links or other source of follow up information that could help me getting this done.


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While further looking into this, I am curious about any thoughts on how I could a posteriri determine which participant went stale, more precisly how I could get the GUID of that participant.I am currently using the GUID of a participant in my user code to uniquly identify participants and use the methods mentioned in this post to get to the GUID data. However, I haven't found any way to get the GUID of a participant that went stale, all I could find so far was data containing the instance handle, mainly via the get_dicovered_participants() method -- which in trun would require that I keep an old version and compare that to a current one to determine the stale participant as the one not present in both.

However, all that is based upon my (potentially wrong) understanding of how to detect a stale participant in the first place--which, as stated above, is also not working...

Any tips are greatly appreciated.


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Hi Claus,

In order to detect remote participants going stale (loosing their liveliness) or gracefully terminating you need to install al listener or monitor the data received by the ParticipantBuiltinTopicDataDataReader.

The FileExchange contains a Java an example called showing how to do this.